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		<title>Not evangelical about social media? Join the club.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Robin Hoyle]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[I’m involved in a debate about social media at the World of Learning Conference at the end of this month (www.learnevents.com).  In a series of exchanged emails about the event an interesting comment was sent by one of the other speakers.  “Will this be an actual debate – I mean will any of us really [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">I’m involved in a debate about social media at the World of Learning Conference at the end of this month (<a href="http://www.learnevents.com/">www.learnevents.com</a>).  In a series of exchanged emails about the event an interesting comment was sent by one of the other speakers.  “Will this be an actual debate – I mean will any of us really be arguing that social media shouldn’t be part of learning and development?”</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The incredulous tone – and the use of the word evangelical in the next sentence – characterises a lot of the social media debate.  It has become the new orthodoxy.  Training without Twitter?  How backward of you!  Facilitating without Facebook?  Heresy!</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Well at the risk of being stoned for blasphemy I will be raising my head above the parapet to raise some ideas which may rock the faith of the converted.  Because faith is what this is.  I’ve asked the questions about where the limitations may be, what the evidence is, how it generates benefits for learners and the organisations which have to pay for it.  I’ve received few answers and less evidence.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Sure, there’s a bit of marketing of learning going on.  Is that what the presence of a facebook logo on every vendor’s exhibition stand is supposed to be about?  Unless I missed a memo I think the users are supposed to use social media to learn.  But do they, really?  Or is it just another place to find information?  Nothing wrong with that but looking something up, using it for a specific purpose and maybe bookmarking the page in case I need it again is not learning, is it?  It’s looking something up.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Skilled information seekers are very important – I’ve written often enough about it being <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the </span></strong>defining skill for the 21<sup>st</sup> Century.  But being able to find stuff on a network is not learning.  These two crucial skills are different in my book.  Committing something to memory is not committing it to the almost infinite memory supplied by Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.  It’s the bit between the ears I’m interested in.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Of course there’s  collaboration &#8211; the chance to share information, tips and glorious discoveries.  I have often spoken and written about the social aspect of learning – the importance of learning from each other and learning together.  Projects, action learning, work-based tasks – I’m a big fan of all these experiential and collaborative activities.  Social media then provides a great opportunity to share these experiences with like minded learners without the inconvenience of travel. Doesn’t it?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Theoretically, yes.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Practically, no.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I have had cause to look at a number of these networks and learning communities.  They follow this pattern:</p>
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<li>The moderator or site owner posts a discussion thread or two and asks for contributions.</li>
<li>A number of people post comments.  These consist of “great idea” “this is really cool” “excellent chance to share our learning”.</li>
<li>Three months later what activity there has been is entirely the work of the moderator.  The discussion threads have grown to 6 or 7 items.  The responses and site hits have shrunk to zero.</li>
<li>Five months later.  Disheartened, the moderator gives up posting any new information.</li>
<li>One year later, the network administrator needs the server space and the forum site is closed.</li>
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<p style="text-align: left;">All this despite those very same learners being constantly on facebook when at home.  That’s where they share links on You Tube and all their friends and family submit their comments.  Unfortunately they are discussing their response to CCTV footage of a woman throwing a cat in a bin!</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Learned anything?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Yes, if you want to throw a cat in a bin without being headline news, do it somewhere which isn’t covered by CCTV cameras.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The problem is that social media is social – not work.  In their spare time, people act differently than they do during their working hours.  Frankly, this seems pretty desirable to me.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">We need to adopt online collaboration as business as usual.  This requires the development of some kind of work media &#8211; rather than trying to jump on the bandwagon of the facebook/twitter revolution.  Until then, the facilitation of learning and sharing of learning online is a nice idea but one which is no more that an article of faith.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">You can read more about the debate in a Guardian supplement – see <a href="http://www.learnevents.com/ld-supplement-in-the-guardian-newspaper.php">http://www.learnevents.com/ld-supplement-in-the-guardian-newspaper.php</a></p>
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		<title>The Times Economics, Live debate: where are the high-paid jobs for graduates?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Robin Hoyle]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Where are all the highly paid graduate jobs?
Britain’s biggest corporations are hiring large numbers of graduates and starting salaries have increased, with some companies paying up to £42,000.
A survey of 100 of the biggest employers shows that they have recruited nearly 2,500 more university-leavers so far this year than they did in the whole of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">Where are all the highly paid graduate jobs?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Britain’s biggest corporations are hiring large numbers of graduates and starting salaries have increased, with some companies paying up to £42,000.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">A survey of 100 of the biggest employers shows that they have recruited nearly 2,500 more university-leavers so far this year than they did in the whole of last year.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">So why are graduates still finding it difficult to get their first jobs?</p>
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<td width="479"><strong>The Times:</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>Hello Everyone. Martin Birchall from High Fliers  Research will be here at 2pm ready to debate the graduate jobs market. His  research today shows that there are more vacancies and more money for  university leavers but more competition for jobs. We&#8217;d love to hear your views.</td>
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<td>13:56</td>
<td><strong>Comment  From Mike</strong></p>
<p>Martin&#8217;s research chimes with a lot of what I&#8217;ve  been hearing &#8211; that the competition for jobs is higher than in previous years.  The argument used to be that students needed to undertake activity away from  the classroom to stand out from the competitive crowd. Do you believe this is  still true?</td>
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<td>14:07</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis:</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>H<img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-973" title="profile_image" src="http://www.infinitylearning.co.uk/elearning/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/profile_image.jpg" alt="profile_image" width="45" height="47" />i Mike, I think you&#8217;re right. Employers have  told me that they want to see relevant work experience.</td>
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<td>14.09</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Guest</strong></p>
<p>Further to Mike&#8217;s comment, how does one stand  out from the competitive crowd- as most students do participate in a multitude  of activities outside of the classroom?</td>
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<td>14.10</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis:</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>Lots of companies are launching internships and  school leaver programmes which are a good way of showing that you are serious  about the company and the sector &#8211; also a good way of finding out whether it is  the right thing for you. Lots of the schemes pay pretty well too.</td>
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<td>14:13</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From James</strong>:</p>
<p>Research from the Chartered Institute of  Personnel Development shows that nearly two-thirds of UK businesses have found employees  joining from university are lacking in business acumen and commercial  awareness. Is this a worrying trend? Would developing this skill help young  people stand out in the crowd?</td>
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<td>14.14</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis:</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>Good point James and increasingly the more savvy  universities are offering students courses and seminars to get them up to speed  on this. Again internships and work experience can help students gain this.</td>
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<td>14.14</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Mark</strong></p>
<p>How can I make my PhD in Politics and  International Studies stand out to employers? I don&#8217;t want to look too  &#8216;academic&#8217;!</td>
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<td>14.15</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;d also advocate reading the business sections  of the newspapers (but I would wouldn&#8217;t I?!) but it is worrying how many  graduates apply for jobs at companies which have crashed or are in difficulty.</td>
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<td>14.16</td>
<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Mark, the main thing is to stress to employers  other things you have to offer to employers. Unless you want to work directly  in politics, most employers will be less interested in your qualifications and  more interested in your other achievements.</td>
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<td>14.16</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Hi Mark &#8211; Hopefully we will have some employers  online shortly who can offer some advice on that one. I&#8217;d have thought that  highlighting relevant work experience and transferable skills would be a good  start. A PhD requires a high degree of motivation and drive, you need to be  good at managing your workflow etc. all skills employers are looking for.</td>
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<td>14.17</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Hi Martin is here. Martin do you want to quickly  fill us in on your research findings?</td>
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<td>14.18</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Rachel</strong></p>
<p>This is true, but it can be in the form of extra  curricular activities or voluntary work not necessarily paid work. We are also  having great difficulty recruiting 3 graduates currently as a small business  and not one of the 100 recruiters. Graduates don&#8217;t even bother to turn up for interviews.  They don&#8217;t even realise that we are located outside of London and when they find out are no longer  interested.</td>
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<td>14.18</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Tom Seccombe</strong></p>
<p>Companies like ICAP have 60 vacancies for their  Grad scheme yet 2,500 people apply. The application takes the best part of 2  hours to fill in, then there are telephone interviews and finally after an  assessment centre then 3 more face to face interviews you may get the job. No  wonder it is so hard to get on a decent Grad scheme.</td>
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<td>14.19</td>
<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Sorry I couldn&#8217;t make it online earlier. Our  research shows that the graduate job market is recovering quickly from the  recession &#8211; the top employers are hiring 18% more graduates this year than in  2009, which is great news.</td>
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<td>14.20</td>
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<p>And is Tom&#8217;s experience at ICAP typical Martin do    you think?</td>
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<td>14.21</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Jo Denye</strong></p>
<p>I am from the National Council for Work  Experience and Graduate Prospects. The value of work experience has really  increased in recent years as the graduate job market has become increasingly  competitive. As well as the wide range of benefits to students the employers  really find that their placement students can bring a fresh perspective to  their organisations. Many of them also use their placement schemes as a way to  feed the talent pipeline for their graduate intakes saving them time and money  on recruitment and retention.</td>
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<td>14.21</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Rachel &#8211; that&#8217;s awful. Martin do you know what&#8217;s  being done on campuses to highlight the role of job opportunities in SMEs?</td>
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<td>14.21</td>
<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Sadly with applications running at an average of  45 per vacancy, it&#8217;s inevitable that selection processes have become more  demanding in order to sift out the best candidates. Virtually all the major  employers now have a 3 or 4 stage recruitment process.</td>
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<td>14.22</td>
<td><span style="color: #622567;"><strong>Comment  From Robin Hoyle, infinity</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #622567;"> I don&#8217;t know the ICAP scheme, but some of my  clients expect their graduate trainees to cost them £200,000 in training and  support in the first two years. I can certainly understand them wanting to be  thorough in ensuring that investment (60 x £200K = £12million) has a good  chance of payback. </span></td>
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<td>14.23</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From James</strong></p>
<p>Young Enterprise, the enterprise education  charity, has just launched a Start-up programme with universities across the UK. This sees students working together to run  their own companies with mentoring from business volunteers. Are programmes  such as this useful in helping students to gain vital first-hand experience of  business?</td>
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<td>14.23</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Tom, companies are introducing ever more complex  ways of trying to find out whether students are serious about the jobs they are  applying for and whether they understand the company they have applied for.  This is because many students have panicked and applied randomly to as many  people as they can and employers now have to sort out who will join and stay  the course.</td>
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<td>14.24</td>
<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Rachel is not alone in struggling to recruit for  the SME sector, but that&#8217;s the one area where many of the last-minute vacancies  are likely to be this summer for graduates leaving university over the next few  weeks. We did a survey of leading universities last July which showed that even  a year ago, there were over 10,000 vacancies at SMEs for graduates.</td>
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<td>14.24</td>
<td><span style="color: #622567;"><strong>Comment  From Robin Hoyle, infinity</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #622567;"> I think one of the challenges for graduates is  to be able to show evidence of learning &#8211; having completed extra classes or  done extra curricular learning from sports coaching qualifications to courses  in horticulture. Increasingly skilled learners and skilled information seekers  will be more valuable to employers than those who feel that they are &#8216;educated&#8217;  because they&#8217;ve finished university. Internships are not without risk. They do  seem to work against those graduates without external financial support &#8211; hence  why so many graduates flip burgers. Having said that, having completed a  training programme as a barista might be a more useful way of demonstrating  learning ability than hanging around an office unsure of what to do for a couple  of months. </span></td>
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<td>14.24</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Becky Ascough</strong></p>
<p>I agree Internships are a great way for both  graduates to get the experience they need, but likewise for companies to trial  a grad before committing to a full time contract. We at Graduates Yorkshire run  an internship programme that addresses the above issues really well and also  assesses a graduates commercial awareness prior to a placement to ensure basic  business skills are in place.</td>
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<td>14.24</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Mike</strong></p>
<p>Carol, you&#8217;re right internships do work as they  give people real life experience alongside a learning curve &#8230; the point is  that to be noticed and to be successful, students need a mix of theory with  practice.</td>
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<td>14.24</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Rachel</strong></p>
<p>As an employer I don&#8217;t think these skills are so  important. If the person is intelligent they will pick them up. What we need is  the raw material and potential. Although obviously if they have them it&#8217;s a  plus &#8211; we need to be realistic about what universities are there for.</td>
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<td>14.24</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Very true Robin. They need to ensure graduates  are going to stay long enough to make the recruitment process worthwhile. Many  of the accountancy companies find that lots of graduates leave as soon as they  have their professional qualifications. That&#8217;s a big outlay for someone who is  going to leave.</td>
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<td>14.25</td>
<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>James, schemes like Young Enterprise are really  important &#8211; the skills that students can gain from running their own businesses  will be invaluable, whether or not they continue to run it after university.  It&#8217;s invaluable experience that would impress most major employers.</td>
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<td>14.25</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>That sounds really good Becky.</td>
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<td>14.25</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Ruth Spellman, CMI</strong></p>
<p>Following on from what James said &#8211; there are  some good opportunities for young people to gain business skills, simply by  getting involved in student leadership teams at school and college, and young  enterprise schemes. All of which give people a hands-on experience of leading  on projects and working in a team towards one goal. This stands out to  employers.</td>
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<td>14.26</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Jo Denye</strong></p>
<p>Again I would recommend you undertake as much  work experience as possible and draw on the experiences you have had outside  your academic studies to differentiate yourself on your applications.</td>
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<td>14.26</td>
<td><span style="color: #622567;"><strong>Comment  From Robin Hoyle, infinity</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #622567;"> Mark, I would suggest emphasising the active  learning from your research. Graduate trainee schemes often expect individuals  to manage their own learning &#8211; often through projects and group activities. The  more the employer feels that these will both lead you to learn quickly and to  deliver robust outcomes for the organisation the more likely they are to be  interested in your previous studies. </span></td>
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<td>14.27</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Some good advice there Robin. I think lots of  students went on to further study during the recession and will now be looking  at how they can sell the skills they&#8217;ve learned in the process to employers.</td>
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<td>14.28</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Emma</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;d like a job please! I have an excellent  academic background, extensive work experience in the charity and public  sectors.</td>
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<td>14.28</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>One of the positive results of Martin&#8217;s research  was that employers seem willing to pay more for graduates. Although as I  understand it there is a large variation in salaries, isn&#8217;t there Martin?</td>
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<td>14.28</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Natalie</strong></p>
<p>I believe there is a real lack of careers  guidance from early on in education. I remember having hardly any useful  pointers about which GCSE&#8217;s I should take, to lead to which A-levels, to then  which degree I could do, and finally profession. We just kind of glided through  it all believing that any degree would be good and you would be ok if you went  to a fairly good university&#8230; how wrong. If I knew then what I know now about  the graduate market and what graduate employers are looking for, my choices  would have been very different from early on at GSCE stage, and I would have  been a lot more focused on particular areas. No wonder students and graduates  are applying blindly to try and get any good job. School leaver schemes are  also an excellent way to start your career, but I didn&#8217;t even know these things  existed when I was at school and always presumed university was the only route  to getting in where career wise. More information needs to be given to children  at school and it should be compulsory.</td>
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<td>14.29</td>
<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>The average salary on offer from top employers  has shot up in the last six months and is now £29,000 &#8211; but if you want to work  in retail, expect up to £10k and if you land a job in the City it could be up  to £15k more.</td>
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<td>14.30</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Rachel</strong></p>
<p>Our experience is that many graduates apply  randomly. We have had over 300 applications for the current position yet many  are clearly not serious. Yet this is an interesting position with probably way  higher growth prospects than many graduate programmes as we promote people  really fast if they are good enough and can be flexible in this regard. Also,  even though we are a small organisation we do provide in-depth training. So in  short I think universities could encourage graduates to look at smaller businesses  as an option.</td>
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<td>14.30</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Ruth Spellman, CMI</strong></p>
<p>Hi Mark. Yes, as Carol says a PhD certainly  demonstrates that you have the ability to manage yourself. Good examples of  celebrity managers who can do this are Simon Cowell and Victoria Beckham. It&#8217;s  a key management strength, so you&#8217;re in good company. It means you focus on  what results are needed to be successful and carry out the appropriate actions.</td>
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<td>14.30</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>I agree Natalie &#8211; careers guidance from the  start of secondary education would be a good idea. Also many good employers are  now looking at employing more A-level students and giving them professional  education as an alternative to degrees. University isn&#8217;t the only way into a  good career. Although it can be a fun way!</td>
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<td>14.31</td>
<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Natalie, you&#8217;re right that careers advice is  still very limited at school. Simply choosing GCSEs and A-levels based on the  subjects you&#8217;re good at won&#8217;t always lead to the right choice of degree,  particularly if you end up wanting to do something vocational after university.</td>
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<td>14.32</td>
<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>You mean £10k LESS in retail and £15K MORE in  investment banking don&#8217;t you Martin? Amazing how the banks have come back!</td>
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<td>14.32</td>
<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Rachel Tobbell</strong></p>
<p>It is really important that graduates in the  fast moving disciplines of science, engineering and technology get jobs on  graduation so that their skills and knowledge stay up to date. At the UKRC we  see that female graduates in science, engineering and technology subjects are  significantly less likely than their male peers to go into careers in these  sectors. This represents such a waste of talent! We find that many women who  have recently graduated benefit from some practical advice on career planning,  interview tips, etc. and so we offer workshops and contact with role models to  support them. Graduates should also be encouraged to make more use of their  university careers service where they can often get some really sound advice.</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Martin might be worth making a comment about how  arts students are wanted by the accountancy and finance firms.</td>
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<p>Yes, salaries in retail are around £20-24k, in    banking its £42-45k this year.</td>
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<td><span style="color: #622567;"><strong>Comment  From Robin Hoyle, infinity</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #622567;"> One of the other skills I think those with  post-graduate qualifications should emphasise is the ability to explain what  they have done to lay people. One of the skill areas lacking &#8211; according to my  clients &#8211; is the ability to describe complex subjects and issues simply to  people who have to implement activities on a production line or in a call  centre. All big organisations have a real struggle communicating to front line  staff in an increasingly complex world. </span></td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Jo Denye, NCWE/GP</strong></p>
<p>Hi Emma, have you spoken to your university  careers adviser? I would also recommend you take a look at <a href="http://prospects.ac.uk/" target="_blank">Prospects.ac.uk</a>. You can also explore a number of career  options on there and take a look at the vacancies available now.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Mike Barnard (Milkround)</strong></p>
<p>A recent survey on <a href="http://milkround.com/" target="_blank">Milkround.com</a> found 57 percent of students had been  encouraged to gain work experience or complete an internship before graduating.  While it&#8217;s great that almost three in five students are getting that advice, do  you feel it is emphasised enough and do you think it is advice that should be  given by universities, employers and careers advisers alike?</td>
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<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Yes, one of the key things about the current  graduate job market is how few employers recruit from specific disciplines any  more &#8211; around 80% of vacancies are for &#8216;any degree&#8217;, which means accounting  firms etc. are just as likely to be hiring arts students as those with a  business background. Most major employers would prefer to train their graduates  from scratch.</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Yes, although there needs to be some  reassurances that students are getting a good quality experience when they go  and work for companies in the holidays. It should be a proper structured  experience with an emphasis on what skills they can take away.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Mike</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m increasingly seeing people coming for job  interviews and when asked what salary they expect, many talk about things other  than money. I think it&#8217;s a sign of maturity &#8211; and recognition that the job  market has changed &#8211; that people ask for training as part of their package.  Martin, do you see much evidence of this and do you think it is a problem? Yes,  people may &#8216;take the training and run&#8217; but the macro-economy will surely be  better off?</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Just to clarify my last response was for  Milkround Mike.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From James</strong></p>
<p>Thanks Martin and Ruth &#8211; Santander agree as well  having lent support to the Young Enterprise Start-up scheme. It is important  that young people have the opportunity to experience real business situations  and develop professional skills to help set them above the rest when they enter  the job market</td>
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<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Hi Mike. There&#8217;s been a real shift in the last  five years towards Careers Services targeting 1st year students to get them  thinking about careers early and to start organising work experience. The  message won&#8217;t sink in for everyone but it&#8217;s a big improvement on the past.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Gerard</strong></p>
<p>I would have to agree with Rachel&#8217;s post. I&#8217;ve  just graduated with a 2:1 in politics and going to do a Masters in Economic  Policy and Management. However, every post I see at university or through  e-mails have been focussed at major corporations. I&#8217;ve been looking for smaller  businesses to work for, but the advertising for them through such networks can  be somewhat limited. Also, have to agree about high school advice, it was very  limited- more supported for students at high school.</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>That&#8217;s great Mike and I agree a sign of  maturity. Although there will always be those who are motivated purely by money.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Tom Seccombe</strong></p>
<p>Rachel and Carol, if you spend two hours filling  out the forms, have a telephone interview and then visit the assessment centre  then go back three times to the offices I think it is safe to say you are  definitely serious about working for that company. The selection process should  be reversed, after filling out a basic form you should be invited to hand over  your CV in person to the offices. That would immediately show how serious you  were and also eliminate a lot of the &#8217;scattergun&#8217; applicants you mention.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Ruth Spellman</strong></p>
<p>Following on Mike Barnard: It&#8217;s important that  students are making the most of their degrees and university experiences. Some  qualifications make practical work experience compulsory which is a good idea,  and for the ones that don&#8217;t require this, there is no harm in young people  sourcing their own placements in the holidays etc. if possible. Not only does  it give people the opportunity to find out if they like particular industries  and job responsibilities but could provide much-needed links after graduating.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Nick Moules</strong></p>
<p>Agree with Natalie, I was advised to do  &#8217;something I enjoy&#8217; at A-Level and University. I later found out that History  BA is not as hot for employers as I was initially told and spent several months  in limbo before doing a job I didn&#8217;t really enjoy to pay the bills. Now I&#8217;m  doing something I enjoy (on an internship wage) four years down the line. Case  studies are useful, you can see the path to your chosen profession clearly then.</td>
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<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Mike, you asked about what graduates really want  from their first job &#8211; our research suggests that whilst salary is important  (partly because of increasing graduation debts) it&#8217;s the training and  development that many students put first. Most want to make sure they develop  the right skills as soon as they can after university.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Jo Denye, NCWE</strong></p>
<p>Hi Mike, I would say that the importance of  undertaking work experience can’t be emphasised enough. Not only is it a great  way for students to explore their career options but it really increases their  overall employability. I think it is something that all practitioners and  employers should really support and encourage.</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Perhaps Ruth, all courses should include a work  year rather like sandwich courses.</td>
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<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Good idea Tom &#8211; the current recruitment  processes that employers are using are certainly at bursting point. In some  sectors recruiters have dealt with 270+ applications per vacancy this year.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Ruth Spellman</strong></p>
<p>Research from my organisation, the Chartered  Management Institute, reveals that job prospects are increasingly being  influenced by an individual’s commitment to their long-term professional  development. It’s not just about the prospective recruit looking in – it’s  about employers looking outwards. Significant numbers are looking for training  and development as part of their remuneration package and employers should take  note of this because by offering professional development they are more likely  to retain the top talent and build for the future.</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>In an ideal world doing a degree you enjoy will  lead to a job you enjoy, Nick. But yes much more careers advice and access to  case studies early on would probably help. But I&#8217;d hate to think that people  would be dissuaded from pursuing enjoyable subjects and learning for learning&#8217;s  sake.</td>
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<td><span style="color: #622567;"><strong>Comment  From Robin Hoyle, infinity</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #622567;"> I agree with everyone advocating work  experience, but it is important for those taking part in work experience to set  some objectives &#8211; what do I want to learn, be able to show I can do etc. and  then gather evidence to show a subsequent employer about what they&#8217;ve done and  what they&#8217;ve learned from the experience. You want a year&#8217;s experience &#8211; not  one day&#8217;s experience which is 365 days old! </span></td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>I agree totally with that Robin.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Gerard</strong></p>
<p>One idea that I don&#8217;t think has been exploited  enough is the opportunity to study abroad as part of your degree (either  voluntary or as part of the course). There&#8217;s funding out there and the old  fashioned method of saving really hard. I spent a voluntary year abroad in the USA  and since I&#8217;ve been back, employers really perk up when they see it on the CV.</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Martin what are graduates expectations down the  line &#8211; 10 years after starting in work? Is it to earn £100K or be happy? (Perhaps  the two are the same for some people!)</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Really good point Gerard! Language skills, the  ability to relocate and the drive to get up and organise a job abroad are great  skills for employers. Martin what proportion of people plan to travel abroad  after their degree?</td>
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<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>We asked 16,000 students earlier this year what  they thought they&#8217;d be doing by the age of 30 and yes money is a big motivator  for some &#8211; 1 in 6 thought they would be earning £100k by then. But lots of  others were focused on getting professional qualifications, post grad degrees  and plenty of overseas experiences &#8211; living and working abroad, not to mention  a good number of holidays!</td>
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<td><span style="color: #622567;"><strong>Comment  From Robin Hoyle, infinity</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #622567;"> Ruth is right about demands for training from new  starters &#8211; both graduates and non-graduates. But employers need to deliver on  the promise beyond initial training and provide ongoing personal and  professional development if they are not to encourage the &#8216;grab the training  and run&#8217; mentality described earlier. </span></td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Ruth Spellman</strong></p>
<p>Hi Carol, yes in many cases sandwich courses are  a good idea, but different courses.</td>
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<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>This year 1 in 6 finalists say they&#8217;ll be taking  time off or going travelling after graduation.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From James</strong></p>
<p>I agree Ruth &#8211; I&#8217;ve also seen research from the  CIPD where 28% of graduates claimed their degree did not equip them with the  skills they need for the workforce. Universities and businesses need to work  together and ensure that young people are equipped with the confidence, ability  and ambition to be the driving force behind the economic recovery.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Mike Barnard (Milkround)</strong></p>
<p>Many graduates have complained that the use of  2.1 minimum requirements for graduate jobs is unfair and experience should be  considered before a candidate is rejected. However, with the potential for so  many applications per vacancy and the increasing use of online application  forms which screen out applicants with less than a 2.1 degree, can graduates  with 2.2 degrees realistically expect to benefit by gaining more work  experience during their studies than those with higher degree classifications  when applying for jobs?</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Ruth Spellman</strong></p>
<p>Yes Carol, but different courses, in many cases,  bring different values to students, including degrees, vocational  qualifications and management apprenticeships.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Mark</strong></p>
<p>Thanks for your advice so far. Could you tell me  how useful it is to do schemes such as Teach First, which involves 2 years in  the classroom, but no guaranteed job at the end?</td>
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<td><strong>Martin Birchall: </strong></p>
<p>Mike B, it&#8217;s interesting that several major  employers &#8211; PwC and npower, for example &#8211; have announced that they&#8217;ll be  recruiting 2.2 graduates in future, rather than just focusing on 1sts and 2.1s.</td>
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<p>Mark, The Teach First scheme has been a real hit  since it launched 7 years ago. And whilst there&#8217;s no guarantee of a job at the  end of the two years &#8211; around half the participants remain in teaching (and are  in great demand) and a large proportion of the others go on to join one of the  employers that sponsor the scheme.</td>
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<td><strong> </strong><strong>Comment  From Natalie</strong></p>
<p>Yes Carol, university was great fun and I  wouldn&#8217;t have changed it for the world! Great experience. But going back to  degree types and more information being given early on, it would be good if  what recruiters want is reviewed, say on an annual basis, (including which  skills shortages there are each year in general in the UK), and then this  information is passed down directly to schools and advisors, where they can  then advise students on a compulsory basis &#8211; this would surely go a very long  way in improving skills shortages in the long run and getting students/grads  into the real jobs they want early on. Maybe this is something the government  need to do, but it would be amazing if it could happen for future  generations&#8230;.</td>
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<td><strong>Carol Lewis: </strong></p>
<p>Wow this debate has been great and has certainly  thrown up lots of talking points. I&#8217;ve got lots of ideas for future debates we  can have on recruitment. Thank you everyone for taking part.</td>
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		<title>Cognitive Surplus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’ve recently been switched on to the writings of Clay Shirky, internet commentator and all round good egg. If he’s new to you, check out this as one example, http://www.shirky.com/herecomeseverybody/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html but there’s loads more at www.shirky.com.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">I’ve recently been switched on to the writings of Clay Shirky, internet commentator and all round good egg. If he’s new to you, check out this as one example, <a href="http://www.shirky.com/herecomeseverybody/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html">http://www.shirky.com/herecomeseverybody/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html</a> but there’s loads more at <a href="http://www.shirky.com/">www.shirky.com</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">He has coined the phrase ‘cognitive surplus’ to explain the huge brain power available to humanity which he would argue has been lost because of the insidious effect of mass media – not least time spent in front of the TV.  He notes that Americans last year spent a collective 200bn hours watching TV – a thousand times more hours than have so far been invested in the creation of wikipedia.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">However, he also notes that current teenagers in the USA and elsewhere watch less Television than the immediate previous generations and that much of the explanation for this is that they have diverted their time  – and in Shirky’s terminology, their cognitive surplus – to online activity and especially making contributions to web discussions and writing comments on everything from their friends’ status to the new You Tube video via the wonders of web 2.0.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Shirky’s central point is that outside of work we have a cognitive surplus – spare brainpower – which is already being used in ways which traditional media and traditional institutions are only just beginning to wake up to.  The answer to the question  “how do they find the time” is simple – they watch less TV!</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">However, what about using social media within the work environment and especially as an adjunct to training and development activity in organisations?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">It seems to me that there is a significant disconnect here.  The question “How do they find the time?” is not so easily answered in the world of work. In a working environment where everyone is desperately trying to achieve more from less is there a significant ‘cognitive surplus’ to make the social media argument compelling in a modern organisation?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">There may be space for some to contribute, comment and engage with an audience via web 2.0 tools on corporate intranets, but in my experience that’s because it’s their job.  I was working with a client the other day and looked through their community space for people based all round the world who worked in similar roles – interestingly within the training arena.  What I saw was a familiar experience.  The web 2.0 tool had been established allowing everyone in the community (indeed in the organisation) to post information and comment on the posts of others.  In an organisation with over 53,000 people, the wisdom of crowds argument would expect there to be a significant number of people contributing, debating and coming up with an organically developing set of ideas, concepts and principles.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Not the case.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">True there were twenty plus posts on the site – many of them with useful information, content and shared documents. However,  my client who ‘owns’ the site had posted nearly all these  – in fact all save one.  There was one other contributor and one comment on that contribution – from guess who? Yes, the site owner.  Every other post remained unsullied by community comment.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The reality is that in a work environment, there is little cognitive surplus and so we are, for the most part, recipients of the outpourings of those who have a role which involves the space and time to contribute.  The great democratisation of content, the sharing of learning, the wisdom of trainee crowds, is a holy grail which remains lost.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">What’s more it won’t be found unless a) there is cognitive surplus at work, i.e. they are not fully employed within their roles, or b) organisations begin to accept and expect that everyone will spend part of their working day contributing to the collective knowledge of the organisation and that they should be employed to do so.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 07:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine is a tech wizard. In fact so sought after are his skills that he is called upon by major corporations to resolve network issues which have taxed those with enormous brains and the sallow complexions of those whose dedication to computers means they rarely experience daylight.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">A friend of mine is a tech wizard. In fact so sought after are his skills that he is called upon by major corporations to resolve network issues which have taxed those with enormous brains and the sallow complexions of those whose dedication to computers means they rarely experience daylight.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">In a recent assignment for a major telecoms company, he was required to complete a piece of health and safety e-learning and pass the end of programme assessment before being allowed on site.  He let me glimpse the wonders of the programme which he had been required to complete.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Here was a technologically advanced organisation where everyone uses computers and the latest technology is an intrinsic part of their day jobs. And yet the e-Learning which my friend had to sit through was an example of the very worst use of computer based learning I could ever imagine.  I honestly thought that click through pages, heavy  text on screen with barely relevant images pasted on to each page were things of the past – the ancient past when learning programmes were distributed on 3½ inch floppy disks.   Interaction was limited to hovering over a so called hot spot which launched determinedly lukewarm pop ups.  The traditional numbering system – page 2 of 6 etc &#8211; seemed more like a threat than a guide to progress.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">The assessment – which plumbed the depths of the question writers’ art – was of course locked until every page had been viewed. Once arrived at, the usual sins had been committed. The longest question always right and every repetitive four option multiple choice included an answer  which was so clearly wrong that the phone-in quiz setter for daytime TV would have been embarrassed to take the premium rate phone charges off those who called in.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Heinous though these e-Learning crimes were, the best (worst) was yet to come.  One size fits all apparently. Yes in order to come on to site to resolve a computer issue, an operation which he assures me provides no greater danger than dropping the end of a dunked digestive down his shirt, he had to complete the section on working at heights. My desk bound, technologically brilliant mate needs to prove to someone (who?) that he can work safely on scaffolding before being allowed through the security gates!</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Compliance training has regularly been one of the things for which e-Learning is used.  The trackability through an LMS of online modules, the right/wrong assessments and the chance to audit an individual’s score have attracted those in search of tick-in-the-box security.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Two things disturb me about this.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Firstly, if the health and safety of visiting contractors is important &#8211; and we do have an absolute duty here &#8211;  surely they deserve something better than this?  How about a programme from which they might actually learn something?  How about a process which truly ensured that they were safe <strong><em>in those areas of activity  in which they were likely to be involved? </em></strong>This catch all, tick in the box programme achieves no objectives apart from giving a false sense of security to the HSE manager that he or she isn’t going to find themselves in court in the unfortunate event of an incident in which someone is injured or worse.  (On that point, however, I wouldn’t want to be the barrister representing anyone who used this programme as the central plank of their defence!)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Secondly, very many organisations start their journey into e-Learning with compliance programmes.  Everyone needs them <span style="text-decoration: underline;">and</span> an individual’s records are automatically updated.  Whether or not to use e-Learning seems a no-brainer.  But if this is the standard of learning programme which employees and contractors are being expected to use, is there any wonder that e-Learning is often seen as a poor substitute to traditional alternatives?  The fact that a major employer  (who, I should point out has spoken on e-Learning issues at many conferences)  should have this available as a semi public example of their approach to training and learning damages not just them, but everyone associated with e-Learning provision.</p>
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		<title>Decision 2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>infinitylearning</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The election is well and truly on.  I have searched in vain for mention from any of the main parties of a clear strategy or even just a set of ideas around the need for training to be a central part of the nation’s recovery from recent economic turmoil.  Fixated on the vagaries of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">The election is well and truly on.  I have searched in vain for mention from any of the main parties of a clear strategy or even just a set of ideas around the need for training to be a central part of the nation’s recovery from recent economic turmoil.  Fixated on the vagaries of the financial markets, once again business has been equated with finance and money.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">This is nowhere more starkly witnessed than in the Punch and Judy debate about National Insurance.  It seems to me that this difference of opinion goes much further than simply an argument about tax.  The recent support for a freeze in National Insurance has been backed by some of Britain’s biggest employers opposed to a ‘tax on jobs’.  While I agree that all taxation on employment needs to be carefully considered – especially in these fragile financial times – there is an undercurrent to the current argument which should worry all of us in training and development.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The tax on jobs argument is a thin veneer for something oft repeated in different guises. Essentially the argument goes that wages in other countries – especially in developing economies and the former communist states in Europe – are much lower than in the UK.  Therefore, the only way UKplc can compete with India, China, Poland and Slovakia is to cut our costs, and the biggest cost of all is employment.  Anything which may reduce our ability to be a low cost producer, beating the emerging economies on price is necessarily a Bad Thing. Really?  Is this the vision we need to reduce the deficit and return our economy to growth?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Of course one of the costs of employing people is training them to do what needs to be done now and developing them for a future world which will need increasingly complex skills and more of them.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Surely a focus on a high skill economy would be a better global competitive strategy.  And developing those high skills amongst the UK workforce will increase overall employment costs – and not by the proposed 1% of NIC increases, but by significantly more if we are to do the job properly.  My experience is certainly that the employers who pay their people best tend to do more and better training.  I don’t see a lot of innovative development at the minimum wage end of the employment market.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">And strike me down, but maybe ring fencing some of our tax revenues for education and health so that we have the foundations for a capable workforce may be one of the ways of supporting a growing, high skill economy.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Trainers and people developers should be concerned that any argument which treats expenditure on people as a cost rather than an investment, represents the kind of thinking which ensures that training is one of the first casualties of so called efficiency drives when times are hard.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I don’t know whether raising National Insurance is the right step, either economically or politically.  What I do know is that the sight of business leaders clamouring to denounce any increase in employment costs on the grounds that it makes us uncompetitive is distinctly unedifying and potentially dangerous to our industry.</p>
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		<title>Constructing Knowledge</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Robin Hoyle]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[I was talking with a couple of people from education the other day.  One of them recounted the tale of trying to teach basic biology to a group of first year college students.  She had asked them to draw the structure of a cell and label the constituent parts.  One group dutifully got on with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">I was talking with a couple of people from education the other day.  One of them recounted the tale of trying to teach basic biology to a group of first year college students.  She had asked them to draw the structure of a cell and label the constituent parts.  One group dutifully got on with the task in hand, but another group rebelled.  These rather bolshie 16 and 17 year olds couldn’t understand why they needed to draw an image they could easily search for on Google and paste into their homework.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">It was clear from the discussion that this was not an isolated event.  The teacher wanted the young people to embed their<span id="more-680"></span> knowledge of the basic structure of a cell through an active task in which they made a representation of their knowledge in order to more thoroughly learn these fundamentals.  The process of drawing and labelling was designed not simply to give information but to support the learning process.  This was constructivism in action and I instantly saw parallels between the ‘learning is the same as information’ debates which seem to rule the eLearning 2.0 discussions of the moment.  Is the process of looking something up on wikipedia or describing google as a learning tool any different from what these rebellious teenagers were arguing?   Is interacting with information so that it is internally digested now out of fashion with both learning designers and learners alike?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The essence of constructivism – that learners construct knowledge through making meaning by combining previous knowledge with input from a facilitator or from an information source – has been adopted to work on line – especially where learners are required to interact with online tasks to activate previous learning and to show what they know and have a chance to contribute their own knowledge. (If constructivism as a theory of knowing and learning is new to you, a good overview can be found here: <a href="http://www.learning-theories.com/constructivism.html">http://www.learning-theories.com/constructivism.html</a>).</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The key to the read/write use of technology – so called web 2.0 &#8211; is the extent to which learners and subject matter experts use the available technology to contribute and engage in debate. At its best, it provides a knowledge construction and management opportunity in which individuals review comments and add to them or amend them with alternatives of their own.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">However it is not an alternative to well designed guided learning which has been created to enable learners to move through a learning cycle in a logical process from theory through to practice and reflection. In some senses, web 2.0 has been embraced by those in the ‘training’ world who do not see the difference between providing information and creating learning experiences.  As a flat, informational medium – with interaction limited to those who have something to contribute – there is a debate about whether the content is that user friendly and whether information presented in this way is brain friendly.  In that it is difficult to recall after having read it, it becomes instant information which is available to be looked up by skilled information seekers. This is valuable in and of itself, but the opposite of learning, which has at its base the ability to file information and experiences in the brain and recall this knowledge when required (having worked out first when it might be required.)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">For more on constructivism in an online environment see: <a href="http://www.brighthub.com/education/online-learning/articles/38850.aspx">http://www.brighthub.com/education/online-learning/articles/38850.aspx</a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">So what do we do with this acknowledgement that linking to images or diagrams or online models in and of itself is not enough to help learners construct knowledge?  It seems to me that providing links to other, web-based information is useful, but that in order for it to meet its potential we need to require our learners to do something with what they have discovered.  We also need to adequately guide them to resources which will help.  We should support them in being media literate enough to interrogate their searches and choose between the credible rather than the downright dodgy (see my previous blog: Can we trust the web? <a href="http://www.trainingzone.co.uk/blogs/robinhoyle/robin-hoyle039s-blog/can-we-trust-web">http://www.trainingzone.co.uk/blogs/robinhoyle/robin-hoyle039s-blog/can-we-trust-web</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Further opportunities to help learners construct meaning may involve them in contributing to discussions – not simply as passive recipients of the outpourings of the expert, but as people who can contribute their own understanding and by so doing apply the old fashioned maxim: “To teach is to learn twice.”</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">It seems we may have responded to the bolshie teenager in all of us by attempting to make it easy for learners to access information as an alternative to learning things.  This may be of value in some situations and with some subjects, but both we and those teenagers about to enter the workforce must recognise that learners do need to actually learn some things and that cutting and pasting won’t equip us to handle life in the modern organisation.</p>
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		<title>Recession – a time of opportunity?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Robin Hoyle]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[I was reading a report from the IOD the other day http://www.iod.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/pdfs/policy_paper_training_recession.pdf all about training in the recession.

The results of two surveys conducted 6 months apart were pretty positive – training seems, for the most part, to have been spared the worst of the cutbacks and, for 80% of respondents, training budgets have either remained [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">I was reading a report from the IOD the other day <a href="http://www.iod.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/pdfs/policy_paper_training_recession.pdf">http://www.iod.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/pdfs/policy_paper_training_recession.pdf</a> all about training in the recession.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">The results of two surveys conducted 6 months apart were pretty positive – training seems, for the most part, to have been spared the worst of the cutbacks and, for 80% of respondents, training budgets have either remained the same or even increased, despite difficult economic times.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">As hospitality, events and travel have been cut back pretty seriously in most organisations, unsurprisingly some of the costs of training have also been under the microscope, with organisations quick to investigate training methods which don&#8217;t require hotels, lunches and course dinners.  This certainly mirrors my recent experience with more and more requests for advice and guidance about how businesses can best utilise online options to limit time off the job and reduce the costs associated with training such as travel and accommodation.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Innovation often springs from some of the most unpromising of situations – after all, necessity is the mother of invention, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">But one quote in the report really struck me.  Along with utilising internal staff to run training programmes and sharing expertise with other organisations, the use of online learning had extended in more than one case to webinars and synchronous online conferences.  This unnamed respondent said:</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><em>&#8220;We have a total ban on travel and external training – everything is having to be done through our corporate learning portal via the use of web seminars.  But many people are ill-prepared to have their training and development delivered in this way – it is easy to only give the training half your attention by continuing to read/write emails whilst the phone is on mute for example.&#8221;</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">I found this interesting, not just because it shows a great insight, but also that so few organisations have thought about the cultural shift which an online learning approach may require – amongst managers, learners and trainers.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Now as it happens I&#8217;m not a big fan of webinars, though I have occasionally been involved in some very good ones.  It seems to me that the skills of an online facilitator/trainer are quite specialised – a cross between a subject matter expert and a radio phone in host.  Not surprisingly, therefore, those less engaged may zone out now and again and emails and Solitaire become a necessary distraction.  That said, I have observed a number of training programmes where busy, stretched executives have been reluctant to put down the blackberry or even close the laptop during the workshop.  At least then the trainer can see them and address the issue directly – assuming they are sufficiently assertive, or sufficiently bothered.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">There are other cultural issues with the move online.  When I was involved in evaluating a major programme for one of my clients – a programme available as an online experience for those with network access and good English language skills and also available as a face to face version for those who perhaps didn&#8217;t have regular internet connection or needed it in their mother tongue – we found that face to face learners were given ample time off to complete the programme.  The workshop based events tended to be a bit of a sheep dip approach to training – one size fits all. By contrast, online programmes wee much mre tailored to meet specific needs, but learners were rarely given any time to complete their learning and complained that they needed to learn in their own time, at lunchtime or even during their holidays if they were to complete the programme within the agreed schedule.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Perhaps the fact that training has been taken away from the &#8216;coal–face&#8217; of the day job for so long – sub-contracted to external consultants in conference centres just off the M4 – has meant that the practicalities of essential learning and development taking place in the workplace is too much of a shock.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">So, amongst those in the IOD survey who had fought for and saved their training activities, there was a tendency to shift training responsibility online and/or to in house subject matter experts – both options that are certainly better than removing training opportunities altogether in difficult times.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">I think many organisations beyond IOD&#8217;s survey are also thinking of this approach and if that&#8217;s a route you&#8217;re intending to follow, here are my three top tips:</p>
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<li>You need to ensure that those who are now required to facilitate learning are given every assistance to do so – adequately trained to do the role and prepared for any resistance they may face if internal programmes are valued less by learners than the previous external provision (complete with chocolate hob nobs, those little wrapped sweets in the seminar room and lunch on the company).</li>
<li>You need to prepare managers and learners through very active communication so that they understand how their roles will be different in the changed learning reality.</li>
<li>The delivery of programmes online and/or by local experts needs to be absolutely first class or your learners will compare essentially amateur offerings with the work of professionals – an unfair comparison and one which will always reflect badly on those left to pick up a new and unaccustomed role.</li>
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<p style="text-align: left;">In particular the IOD survey makes a very important point – a recession is really not the time to abandon staff training altogether.  Having been through more than one economic crisis, I can certainly endorse the view that being equipped to handle the other side of any downturn is equally as important as weathering the current storm.</p>
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		<title>After the Show&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Robin Hoyle]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was at the learning technologies show last week, speaking about web 2.0 applications]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the learning technologies show last week, speaking about web 2.0 applications and staffing an exhibition stand with my Infinity colleagues.  What an interesting couple of days.  </p>
<p>Three things really struck home from the two days of arranged and ad hoc meetings which typify any attendance at trade exhibitions.  The first was what a great opportunity an exhibition presents to catch up with people who you haven’t seen for a while.  Former clients and collaborators alike added new insights and new opportunities to think about issues from a different perspective.  I wondered if the organisations<span id="more-664"></span> supporting social learning have ever suggested to one of their clients that what they really need is some kind of exhibition of learning projects, activities and outcomes within a large organisation?  The value of the face to face, informal discussions around a common theme was really valuable to me – and I hope to them – and reminded me that social learning is real in the face to face world.  So why do I remain cynical of the social networking tools being promoted so ubiquitously at the show as an answer to an unspecified problem in the world of learning and development?  </p>
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My cynicism seems to revolve mostly around structure.  The exhibition – a collection of vendors and potential buyers – was a clearly structured situation.  What is more, on both sides there was a degree of self interest – a group of people wanting to identify leads and a group wanting to resolve issues within their organisations.  What was clear about these short relationships – some more positive than others – was that they were clear transactions.  The two groups were united in having differing but coinciding needs and wants which by coming together to share ideas and knowledge they both hoped would be satisfied. I learned from these transactional meetings and I think others did too.  My belief that transactions provide a more robust model for social learning instead of the rather formless social structures of Facebook or MySpace was reaffirmed.</p>
<p>The second lesson of the exhibition was about the common ground between potential suppliers and potential customers. For years I have been going on about how much money and resource organisations waste on moving people around the country – or the globe – in order for them to endure endless presentations in the name of knowledge acquisition or training.  It seems the message has got through, perhaps because of the economic situation which most organisations face.  Again and again I had conversations with people who have suites of face to face courses who are now looking to transfer some of that content online as part of a blended solution.  This is not only motivated by cost.  Some of the people I spoke to have clearly recognised that online knowledge acquisition is at least a match for attending a lecture if not a considerable improvement.</p>
<p>The third lesson was about the nature of presentations in the 4 seminar theatres around the exhibition.  Despite being a learning technologies exhibition, the majority of presenters used badly designed PowerPoint slides as their only visual aid.  A 25 year old learning technology using endless bullet points or screen shots of e-Learning tools with the habitual apology of “I’m sorry you can’t read  this very well, but what it says is&#8230;.”  Still, at least these people standing up in front of training professionals &#8211; who let’s not forget make a living from presenting to others – wouldn’t have the nerve to get to the podium unless they were skilled and accomplished presenters? Well, maybe next year&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Training Toolkits</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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				<category><![CDATA[Robin Hoyle]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was flicking through the radio channels on a long dull, fogbound drive the other day when I came upon the BBC Radio 4/British Museum Programme on The History of the World through 100 objects. In this series, Neil MacGregor, Director of the British Museum, talks about objects in the museum’s collection and charts human [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was flicking through the radio channels on a long dull, fogbound drive the other day when I came upon the BBC Radio 4/British Museum Programme on The History of the World through 100 objects. In this series, Neil MacGregor, Director of the British Museum, talks about objects in the museum’s collection and charts human history, and indeed evolution, from the secrets that they help us to uncover.</p>
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<p>One section of the programme about the Olduvai Stone Chopping Tool, found in modern Tanzania and now the oldest object in the British Museum’s collection at 1.8million years old, was particular intriguing for me as someone who thinks about how people learn and develop. <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/ykHw5-oqQEGFnvat1gavxA">Click here for link</a><br />
I have long contended that the first humans with larger brains than the other primates with which they shared the savannahs and gorges of Africa provide a blueprint for how modern humans still think, process information and learn.  We are all aware of the flight or fight syndrome – the response to danger which was first hard wired into our beings when we faced daily danger from predators and competitor humans.  You also may be aware that our initial reaction to information and being able to subconsciously filter out things we consider irrelevant is based on an ability first developed when we walked the savannah and had a split second to respond to movement – instantly working out whether the other life form we encountered was food or whether we were.  </p>
<p>Download the rest of this post <a href="http://www.infinitylearning.co.uk/elearning/downloads/learningtechnologiesarticle_byrobin.docx">here</a></p>
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